Sunday, July 5, 2009
My Talk at George Fox Seminary w/ Dan Kimball, Alan Hirsch, Leonard Sweet, and MaryKate Morse
My Talk at George Fox Seminary w/ Dan Kimball, Alan Hirsch, Leonard Sweet, and MaryKate Morse
Many of you have been asking me for the recording of my talk at George Fox Seminary back in February.
Also appearing at the event were Leonard Sweet, Alan Hirsch, Dan Kimball, and MaryKate Morse. Lance Ford moderated (and tried to incite a riot a few times).
In the talk, I had some weighty things to say to those who minister. Things related to God’s Eternal Purpose.
Here’s the recording of the talk: http://www.FromEternitytoHere.org/ViolaGeorgeFox.mp3 (or search for it on iTunes under my name). It’s only about 30 minutes long.
If you find it helpful, feel free to post it on your blog, Facebook page, or send it to friends.
To the newbies to this blog: You can subscribe to the blog by email or by using a reader. Just look at the top left hand corner.
Here’s a sample chapter of From Eternity to Here that was published on CBN.com last month. Sample Chapter CBN
May 26, 2009
Categories: Church Life . Tags: Alan Hirsch, Crazy Love, Dan Kimball, Frank Viola, from eternity to here, George Barna, George Fox, George Fox Seminary, Leonard Sweet, MaryKate Morse, Reimagining Church . Author: frankaviola
7 Comments
1.
Comment by Mary on May 26, 2009 9:27 PM
WOW!!!!!! I love when you said that if you give people a groundbreaking revelation of Jesus you will not have tell them to love one another. I know one day I will experience true organic church. Until then I will live my euphoric life with my lover, Jesus Christ, even though the longing of my heart is not fulfilled as of now. Having an unbelieving spouse is hard, but I do not worry, I know it will be wonderful soon. Love you friend.
2.
Comment by Andrew Gscheidle on May 27, 2009 3:41 PM
Great stuff Frank! The church until now has been somewhat like MLM – always interested in getting more people into “the program”, so they in turn could do likewise, but never presenting a the product (please don’t flame me MLMers!). I sincerely believe that God is shaking things up and bringing our focus to his eternal purpose for His glory.
3.
Comment by Peter Lange on May 28, 2009 8:30 AM
I have anticipated by hope & rejection for over #10 years to hear just what was spoken at George Fox Seminary. That message gave me inner peace-strength. Alas, still hold true, that the efficacy of transparency rests in the cross we bare, that it be sound & the cross of offence another brings to humble with such words that were ‘given in love. Thanks
4.
Comment by Robert Romanelli on May 28, 2009 1:01 PM
God bless you, Frank, for following the vision from Heaven to its ultimate expression. If ever the Body of Christ needed this talk, it is now. I am sending out this talk to absolutely everyone I know in the Church. If they turn against me for doing this, so be it. It is far too late to be worried about what other people think. It is time to wake up and smell the fragrance of God’s Ultimate Purpose and be intoxicated with the glory and loving heart of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To God be the glory. Amen and amen.
5.
Pingback by Frank Viola, Dan Kimball, Alan Hirsch, Len Sweet and MaryKate Morse mp3 « Chad M. Farrand on May 31, 2009 8:35 PM
[...] 31, 2009 · No Comments You can go here and download and listen to a recent presentation at George Fox put on by Frank Viola, Dan Kimball, [...]
6.
Pingback by June News « Reimagining Church on June 1, 2009 8:14 AM
[...] of you have asked to hear the talk I delivered at George Fox Seminary in February. We have obtained the recording and you can listen to it now (see below). It’s only about 30 minutes long. Also present were Alan Hirsch, Dan Kimball, Leonard [...]
7.
Pingback by beyondmissional » Blog Archive » Complete List of Blogger Q & A on “From Eternity to Here” on June 10, 2009 3:59 PM
[...] now, and I hope that continues. Interestingly, I was able to expand on this very question at a missional church event at George Fox Seminary recently. It created a lot of great dialogue afterwards that was profitable and brought oneness of [...]
Many of you have been asking me for the recording of my talk at George Fox Seminary back in February.
Also appearing at the event were Leonard Sweet, Alan Hirsch, Dan Kimball, and MaryKate Morse. Lance Ford moderated (and tried to incite a riot a few times).
In the talk, I had some weighty things to say to those who minister. Things related to God’s Eternal Purpose.
Here’s the recording of the talk: http://www.FromEternitytoHere.org/ViolaGeorgeFox.mp3 (or search for it on iTunes under my name). It’s only about 30 minutes long.
If you find it helpful, feel free to post it on your blog, Facebook page, or send it to friends.
To the newbies to this blog: You can subscribe to the blog by email or by using a reader. Just look at the top left hand corner.
Here’s a sample chapter of From Eternity to Here that was published on CBN.com last month. Sample Chapter CBN
May 26, 2009
Categories: Church Life . Tags: Alan Hirsch, Crazy Love, Dan Kimball, Frank Viola, from eternity to here, George Barna, George Fox, George Fox Seminary, Leonard Sweet, MaryKate Morse, Reimagining Church . Author: frankaviola
7 Comments
1.
Comment by Mary on May 26, 2009 9:27 PM
WOW!!!!!! I love when you said that if you give people a groundbreaking revelation of Jesus you will not have tell them to love one another. I know one day I will experience true organic church. Until then I will live my euphoric life with my lover, Jesus Christ, even though the longing of my heart is not fulfilled as of now. Having an unbelieving spouse is hard, but I do not worry, I know it will be wonderful soon. Love you friend.
2.
Comment by Andrew Gscheidle on May 27, 2009 3:41 PM
Great stuff Frank! The church until now has been somewhat like MLM – always interested in getting more people into “the program”, so they in turn could do likewise, but never presenting a the product (please don’t flame me MLMers!). I sincerely believe that God is shaking things up and bringing our focus to his eternal purpose for His glory.
3.
Comment by Peter Lange on May 28, 2009 8:30 AM
I have anticipated by hope & rejection for over #10 years to hear just what was spoken at George Fox Seminary. That message gave me inner peace-strength. Alas, still hold true, that the efficacy of transparency rests in the cross we bare, that it be sound & the cross of offence another brings to humble with such words that were ‘given in love. Thanks
4.
Comment by Robert Romanelli on May 28, 2009 1:01 PM
God bless you, Frank, for following the vision from Heaven to its ultimate expression. If ever the Body of Christ needed this talk, it is now. I am sending out this talk to absolutely everyone I know in the Church. If they turn against me for doing this, so be it. It is far too late to be worried about what other people think. It is time to wake up and smell the fragrance of God’s Ultimate Purpose and be intoxicated with the glory and loving heart of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To God be the glory. Amen and amen.
5.
Pingback by Frank Viola, Dan Kimball, Alan Hirsch, Len Sweet and MaryKate Morse mp3 « Chad M. Farrand on May 31, 2009 8:35 PM
[...] 31, 2009 · No Comments You can go here and download and listen to a recent presentation at George Fox put on by Frank Viola, Dan Kimball, [...]
6.
Pingback by June News « Reimagining Church on June 1, 2009 8:14 AM
[...] of you have asked to hear the talk I delivered at George Fox Seminary in February. We have obtained the recording and you can listen to it now (see below). It’s only about 30 minutes long. Also present were Alan Hirsch, Dan Kimball, Leonard [...]
7.
Pingback by beyondmissional » Blog Archive » Complete List of Blogger Q & A on “From Eternity to Here” on June 10, 2009 3:59 PM
[...] now, and I hope that continues. Interestingly, I was able to expand on this very question at a missional church event at George Fox Seminary recently. It created a lot of great dialogue afterwards that was profitable and brought oneness of [...]
The term pastor usually refers to an ordained person within a Christian church
The term pastor usually refers to an ordained person within a Christian church. In some countries the term is more usually used in traditional Protestant churches but is also used in reference to priests and bishops within the Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Oriental Orthodox churches. The word itself is derived from the Latin word pastor which means shepherd. The term pastor is also related to the role of elder within the New Testament, but is not synonymous with the biblical understanding of minister.
The usage of pastor comes from its use in the Bible. In the Hebrew Bible (or Old Testament) the Hebrew word רעה (raʿah) is used. The word is used 173 times and can describe the feeding of sheep as in Genesis 29:7 or the spiritual feeding of human beings as in Jeremiah 3:15, "And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding" (KJV).
In the New Testament, the Greek noun ποιμήν (poimēn) and verb ποιμαινω (poimaino) are usually translated shepherd or to shepherd. The two words are used a total of 29 times in the New Testament, most frequently referring to Jesus. For example, Jesus called himself the "Good Shepherd" in John 10:11. The same words are used in familiar Christmas story (Luke 2) referring to literal shepherds.
In five New Testament passages though, the words are refer to church workers.
* John 21:16 - Jesus told Peter: "Feed [shepherd] my sheep" (KJV)
* Acts 20:17 - the Apostle Paul summons the elders or presbyters of the church in Ephesus to give a last discourse to them; in the process, in Acts 20:28, he tells them that the Holy Spirit has made them bishops, and that their job is to shepherd the flock of God among them.
* 1 Corinthians 9:7 - Paul says, of himself and the apostles: "Who feedeth [shepherds] a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock?" (KJV)
* Ephesians 4:11 - Paul wrote "And He gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastor(s) and teachers" (KJV)
* 1 Peter 5:1-2 - Peter tells the elders among his readers that they are to, "Feed [shepherd] the flock of God which is among you..." (KJV)
Arguably from the earliest centuries of Christian history, the church had three orders which were considered divinely ordained: bishops, priests and deacons. Each was only considered authoritative and able to administer the sacraments if one had valid apostolic succession (i.e., traceable lineage of ordinations back to the original bishops, the Apostles themselves). However, Protestant communities since the Reformation generally disregard this practice, or dispute the existence of apostolic succession.
The usage of pastor comes from its use in the Bible. In the Hebrew Bible (or Old Testament) the Hebrew word רעה (raʿah) is used. The word is used 173 times and can describe the feeding of sheep as in Genesis 29:7 or the spiritual feeding of human beings as in Jeremiah 3:15, "And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding" (KJV).
In the New Testament, the Greek noun ποιμήν (poimēn) and verb ποιμαινω (poimaino) are usually translated shepherd or to shepherd. The two words are used a total of 29 times in the New Testament, most frequently referring to Jesus. For example, Jesus called himself the "Good Shepherd" in John 10:11. The same words are used in familiar Christmas story (Luke 2) referring to literal shepherds.
In five New Testament passages though, the words are refer to church workers.
* John 21:16 - Jesus told Peter: "Feed [shepherd] my sheep" (KJV)
* Acts 20:17 - the Apostle Paul summons the elders or presbyters of the church in Ephesus to give a last discourse to them; in the process, in Acts 20:28, he tells them that the Holy Spirit has made them bishops, and that their job is to shepherd the flock of God among them.
* 1 Corinthians 9:7 - Paul says, of himself and the apostles: "Who feedeth [shepherds] a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock?" (KJV)
* Ephesians 4:11 - Paul wrote "And He gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastor(s) and teachers" (KJV)
* 1 Peter 5:1-2 - Peter tells the elders among his readers that they are to, "Feed [shepherd] the flock of God which is among you..." (KJV)
Arguably from the earliest centuries of Christian history, the church had three orders which were considered divinely ordained: bishops, priests and deacons. Each was only considered authoritative and able to administer the sacraments if one had valid apostolic succession (i.e., traceable lineage of ordinations back to the original bishops, the Apostles themselves). However, Protestant communities since the Reformation generally disregard this practice, or dispute the existence of apostolic succession.
Subscribe to:
Posts (Atom)